Thursday, May 31, 2012

VVA Offers No Help to BWN

We have taken the Vietnam Veterans of America [VVA] to task on more than one occasion here.  Unfortunately it seems that we must do so again. 

It has become apparent that to the VVA, Blue Water Navy Veterans are, following the lead of current Department of Veterans Affairs Policy, NOT Vietnam Veterans. 

VVA’s National leadership has made a number of alliances that almost totally relegate the Blue Water Navy to a status not worth their efforts, placing them behind those who served on Guam, Okinawa, Korea, Johnston Island, and so on.  There is nothing coming out of the VVA concerning the BWN.  Indeed, they totally ignore small Vietnam Veterans organizations, foregoing their additional numbers, and organizational strength, to further their non-BWN agenda. 

The shame of it is that they ignore men who fought on the coast of Vietnam, received the same Vietnam Service Medal the guys on the ground received, and frequently supported Army and Marine units ashore with naval artillery, and who delivered much of the supplies the folks on the ground consumed.  

Take for example the latest VVA Web Weekly, advertised as the “Memorial Day Web Weekly.”  The VVA Web Weekly, unlike the newsletters of the other major Veterans Service Organizations that arrive on Fridays, arrives on various days the following week.  The current edition includes a link to a section on their website called “Faces of Agent Orange.”  It is concerned mainly with children of Vietnam Veterans exposed to Agent Orange, and the birth defect disorders of those children.  One of the faces included on the list has NO LINK TO AGENT ORANGE OR VIETNAM, but worked in the fight to help children with such afflictions by starting an organization to work on their behalf, which later began including AO related birthd efects.  No one on the list of people whose stories you can read was strictly about a Blue Water Sailor’s story.  There were a couple of stories that included information about Blue Water Sailors who ALSO served ashore or in the Riverine Forces.  The DVA would not question their right to presumptive exposure. 

So where are the stories of the Blue Water Navy’s genetically malformed children and grandchildren?

Now lest you think us callous, we do not denigrate or decry this VVA effort.  Instead, we say to the VVA, “Okay, you are doing work for every facet of Vietnam Veterans except for the Blue Water Navy?  You have never reached out to all the Vietnam Blue Water Navy groups to coordinate efforts to pass legislation RESTORING them to presumptive eligibility.  We see nothing in the Web Weekly issues that points to ANY work done on the current bills in Congress, S1629, and HR 3612.  We may have gotten a paragraph buried in your annual Legislative Agenda and read before the Joint Committee on Veterans Affairs.  Lip service. 

We have personally reached out to the VVA legislative director on many occasions, and we have been, in a word, ignored.  VASVW has almost 500 members.  Imagine what kind of strength the Blue Water Navy Veterans would have if it had the full support of the 50,000 members of the VVA! 

But the VVA apparently could not be bothered.    

We have considered renouncing our membership in VVA.  The difference between 50,000 and 49,999 is small, of course, but we would be remiss if we failed to make a statement about an organization that essentially exists to advocate on our behalf and does not do so. 

VVA touts its founding principle:

"Never again will one generation of veterans abandon another." 

We ask, “What about the ‘one generation’ that is our own?”

They claim as their goal:

“VVA's goals are to promote and support the full range of issues important to Vietnam veterans, to create a new identity for this generation of veterans, and to change public perception of Vietnam veterans.”

We ask, what about the Blue Water Navy issues?  Where is the support?

What a shame.  What a sham. 

At VASVW we do our own advocacy, and we do it without benefit of the resources of the VVA.  On the other hand, we have support from the Fleet Reserve Association and the American Legion. 

Feel free to join the Veterans Association of Sailors of the Vietnam War.  We take action on our own behalf.  Our members all participate in decision making and in taking legislative advocacy action to get the AO BWN Bill passed.  Join us and do your part.   


”It is a stain on this nation's honor that the Department of Veterans Affairs has become a deadlier and more difficult adversary to the American veteran than any they have ever faced on a battlefield."-- VNVets

"The concept that Agent Orange, and its effects, stopped dead in its tracks at the shoreline is simply too illogical, and too ludicrous to accept. What does that say about the Obama Administration and his Department of Veterans Affairs?"--VNVets

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  1. Anonymous09:01

    As a boots on the ground Army Vet and former chopper pilot, I find it disturbing that any one group of Vietnam Vets would not include another group in this fight. I don't know what it takes to get everyone to the same table and work from a unified position but strength in numbers far outweighs the efforts of one group trying to win a battle while leaving out another group.

    As far as the Agent Orange battle goes, it was, in my opinion, Admiral Zumwalt and his May 5, 1990 report to the Dept of Veterans Affairs that was instrumental in getting the government to acknowledge the health effects caused by Agent Orange. I think it would do everyone well to remember that this Naval officer was looking out for the welfare of ALL those who served in the theatre, not just those with boots on the ground. In this regard, all of us need to come together for the common good and stop splintering ourselves in a one-upmanship fashion because this weakens the entire effort.

    In conclusion, I concur with BWN's editorial opinion.

  2. Ray Hait05:47

    I am a member of the Military Order of Purple Heart. I have not joined the VFW, DVA, American Legion, or VVA because, when trying to get them to pull together it is like pulling teeth. They have their own Agenda and don't want to work together.
    I stand with all Veterans in their cause and this now disturbs me even more to hear that the VVA will not give support. Glad I did not join.

  3. Many thanks to Boots on the ground, and to Roy Hait.

    To Roy, I would say I am in complete agreement. The only instances of cooperation I have seen involved the request of a third party [i.e. a law firm asking several VSOs to provide financial assistance for a Veteran's law suit, or in some cases, legal help as well.

    What we are aiming at here, however is not so much cooperation among VSOs, but the responsiiloity of the VVA to take care of its own, and to do so before branching out to care for others. or at least as a higher priority. Instead, VVA gives no visible means of support to BWN. Lord knows there aren't that many of us left that they will need to worry about past, say, 2020, when there will likely be fewer than ten thousand Vietnam Veterans left.

  4. Anonymous21:34

    Sure looks like you're using you private little forum here to grind an axe with the VVA.

  5. Well, let's see. First, this is not a 'private little forum'. It is very public.

    Second, you bet I've an axe to grind with the VVA, and am doing so with this post and the next, and the reason for the axe grinding is some 10-20,000 men who served off Vietnam and have been abandoned by the VSO most responsible for representing them.

    Sounds like you disagree. I'd bet you are not a Blue Water Navy Vet sick with an AO disease of three.

    Let's see if you change your tune after the next post.

  6. Anonymous17:09

    "Private" in that only what YOU write is assured of being posted here.....that's a pretty good way to define it. I probably have more time at sea off Vietnam than you can imagine.....a lot more than a few deployments on a tincan.
    I suffer from four(4)AO related conditions.
    Finally, your dislike of VVA is not new, we've seen it before, it's true that you have a valid point here but, really, so what? All they are doing is proving they are not the veteran's advocates they would like to have the world think they are; had the VFW and the American Legion not been so unresponsive to returning VN vets in the 60's and 70's, they wouldn't even exist.