Friday, October 21, 2011

In Response to one of The Bozos

As anticipated, the Bozos have responded. Indeed one, named Ed Mattson, started off by using an unattributed quotation that was inferred to have come from this blog.

He wrote an accusation of our writing the following quote: 
“go get your own bill and fend for yourselves”.
Well, I defy anyone to find those words here on this blog. He further denigrates the Blue Water Navy [BWN] community by saying 10% of them do all the work. That’s how little he knows. Between the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Association [BWNVVA] and the Veterans Association of Sailors of the Vietnam War [VASVW] last year’s bill was given 267 Co-Sponsors almost exclusively the grassroots work of the members of those organizations.

Then he writes:
”… S-1629 may address issues of the Blue Water Navy… but it certainly isn’t a bill exclusively for Navy and Marine Corps veterans…”
Well, Mr. Mattson doesn’t know what he is talking about. Here is the ENTIRE text of S.1629:
1st Session
S. 1629
To amend title 38, United States Code, to clarify presumptions relating to the exposure of certain veterans who served in the vicinity of the Republic of Vietnam, and for other purposes.
September 23, 2011
Mrs. GILLIBRAND (for herself and Mr. GRAHAM) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs
To amend title 38, United States Code, to clarify presumptions relating to the exposure of certain veterans who served in the vicinity of the Republic of Vietnam, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
This Act may be cited as the `Agent Orange Equity Act of 2011'.
(a) Compensation- Subsections (a)(1) and (f) of section 1116 of title 38, United States Code, are amended by inserting `(including the territorial seas of such Republic)' after `served in the Republic of Vietnam' each place it appears.
(b) Health Care- Section 1710(e)(4) of such title is amended by inserting `(including the territorial seas of such Republic)' after `served on active duty in the Republic of Vietnam'.
(c) Effective Date- The amendments made by subsections (a) and (b) shall take effect as of September 25, 1985.
Does anyone see anyone else in here besides Blue Water Navy and Fleet Marines, and some Coast Guard Veterans? That is the sum total of the meaning of the words, “…inserting `(including the territorial seas of such Republic)' after `served in the Republic of Vietnam' each place it appears.”

Mr. Mattson then goes on to muddy the waters by launching into a rather disjointed and long winded explanation of how politics work…or his view of politics. He states:
”The strategy includes:
“* breaking up power alliances into smaller chunks that are easier to subdue/manage
“* preventing small power groups from linking up and becoming more powerful

“Hey, if I am wrong here, somebody please tell me. You can’t just make this up.”
Well, yes, you are wrong Mr. Mattson, and yes, to a large extent you are making things up here. Here is another example:
”So I beg to differ with the email I received telling me that Senate Bill S-1629 is just a bill for the Blue Water Navy, and for everyone else to go away. Yes…pursuing this line of thought by letting the government keep us separated on the issue of Agent Orange, on the issue of class warfare; and on the political highway the current administration is driving us down, I am afraid we are all destined to “go away”…our way of life, our freedom, our sense of what is right and wrong, with only a memory of what America once was.”
That’s an awful lot of hooey you have attributed to us, Mr. Mattson. And it is so far off base to be laughable. We have NEVER, EVER, indicated that we prefer “everyone else to go away.” We defy you to show where we asserted that wish. Had we done that, we would never, ever have written a bill and offered it to the Veterans who did not serve in Vietnam, yet were exposed to dioxin containing herbicides. We have repeatedly, on this blog, made that offer, and have the bill posted for anyone to read, download and try to get introduced in Congress, including three days ago:
“Not satisfied with the Victims of Agent Orange Relief Act, the advocates want to pile onto S.1629 as well, and once again make the bill so expensive it will fail.

“In other words, in their attempts to leave no Veteran behind they are, for the third time, leaving everyone behind.

“We have repeatedly offered these groups and individuals a bill of their own. We have done so with the offer that we want no credit for the bill, they may claim it for themselves, modify it, and/or do whatever they want with it. We have emailed it to Veterans who were stationed on Guam and Okinawa, and are sick with dioxin related diseases, and we went to great lengths to advise them on how to organize and effectively campaign for their benefits. We are convinced that this is their best shot. And we understand that it will, if it happens, not do so until a year or more from now.”
Mr. Mattson, then said:
”The whole issue is not that the government can’t afford to rectify the Agent Orange problem. It’s that it cannot rectify the situation in its current fiscal state.”
Hmmm, where have I heard that before? Two days ago we wrote:
”You obviously do not have the ability to understand there is nowhere near the money to pay for everyone who has been exposed at one time.

“We’ll repeat that for you, and type it slower this time so you can keep up:

“You obviously do not have the ability to understand there is nowhere near the money to pay for everyone who has been exposed at one time.”
So, our assessment of the Bozos is that they do not know how to read, try to smear anyone who crosses their way of thinking by innuendo and outright distortions, and still just do not get it. The “it” they do not get is the fact that they are clamoring for something unattainable in one lump. If they had any cojones they’d climb aboard HR 2634, the Agent Orange Relief Act.

Oh, and as expected, Mr. Mattson threw in the obligatory “pity me” picture of disfigured Vietnamese children. Well, we do pity them, and apparently so does the US Government, hence, HR 2634, which you can read by clicking a link in the box for that bill at the top right of the page. It is for the most part, a bill for the State Department to provide aid for just such children, and the children of US Veterans who also are disfigured or stricken with hereditary diseases as a result of one or both parents being exposed to dioxin containing herbicides.

Feel free to read Mr. Mattson’s error-riddled diatribe at:

Be sure to take in the “pity me” photograph at the left top of the page. It’s reminiscent of those starving African and abused animal commercials on cable channels that are designed to play on your guilt for having so much while what you are seeing is going on.

Mr. Mattson is described in his bio as a “medical researcher”. We would highly recommend that Mr. Mattson invest some time in researching what he is attacking rather than making things up out of thin air.

Certainly we disagree with Mr. Mattson’s approach to the Agent Orange issue. His is a global approach, while ours is a more focused approach. He is advocating something new, while we advocate for the restoration of benefits that were illegally removed by the Department of Veterans Affairs. He is advocating a one-shot cures all approach, which we believe defies all reason and reality. Unable to accept smaller bites, he and his fellow Bozos will continue to throw their weight around killing Veterans in the process. Apparently, Mr. Mattson feels it is better for US Veterans to die without benefits than for the deformed Vietnamese children to go untreated.

That, shipmates, is the crux of the issue. Unfortunately, he is only one of the Bozos. There are many more out there, writing articles in the Salem News, and the Examiner, and filling your inbox with stuff that is irrelevant to a Blue Water Sailor dying of cancer, heart disease, and diabetes.


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  1. I have tried for 3 years to make those who are making the fuss now understand that Korea, Guam, Alaska, Ft. Mc Clellan and all other bases or countries where AO was used needed to be in Separate Bills and it's like beating my head against a brick wall. They will not listen. I wish that Senator Gillibrand would ramrod this through the Senate before those who want to sink it get the job done by piling on all the other locals where AO was used. I have tried to explain that After we get our bill through we would be more than willing to help them get something through and they refuse to listen. They fail to remember that if it costs money the current bunch of Tea Party Republicans will vote it down in a heart beat and including Korea, Guam. Okinawa and Ft. Mc Clellan will put the cost of the bill in the trillions and has Zero chance of passage. Ft. Mc Clellan should stand on it's own and the name of the bill should be"The Irish Breshahan Ft. Mc Clellan Agent Orange Compensation Act." She gave her life for Ft. Mac and it's time that she should be honored. Korea should stand on it's own merit due to the amount of men and women exposed and the length of time exposure happened but I believe that all the other locals could be lumped into one bill and it get passed.

  2. Anonymous10:54

    I agree with the first comment; that we want our bill to stand alone in no way means we do not think the other victims of AO should be ignored.

  3. Both comments are dead on.

    The question that keeps resonating here: Why hasn't anyone tried to get the proposed supplemental bill passed? It covers what they want! Why do they insist on sinking a Blue Water Navy bill?

  4. Anonymous18:19

    In viewing Mr. Mattsons writings I noticed that the picture of the children injured by AO are the same ones that I have seen hundreds of times in as many articles. These are not the worst of the afflictions of AO and will not be the last. American Children are affected by AO also but unless you had boots on ground there is no one beating a drum to help children here in this country. It's time we start worrying about our own and everyone else comes secound. I will grant you what AO did to these children was terrible how ever has every forgotten it was a war?