Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Urgent: You need to take action NOW!

Well! Where to begin. We will pass on to you that we have been denied access to the Yahoo group where the secret work is proceeding to hijack the HR 6562 bill and turn it into a monster impossible to enact.

We have also been denied access to the Blue Water Navy forum, as our presence there would alert the members to what is going on by their leadership.

Then, tonight, we received a comment for moderation on the Ipso Facto post. Unlike those who shun the light and prefer to hide in the dark, we post those comments freely, for we are not afraid of criticism, nor do we fear the truth.

Here is the text of the comment so you don't have to go looking for it:

"The statements made by Mr. Davis are so far from the truth as to be ridiculous. Nothing is done in secret, and it was his bombastic comments that kept him from having input. He is the only "leader" and I use the term loosely, that wants to take credit for anything.

"Read the act and pray you are Brown Water Navy, the only ones who as written will be helped. No one should care about the legacy of BWN or TLC. They should only care about the legacy of those who have died, and the struggle of their widows."
After we wiped this person's spittle from our glasses we read the comment and found it utterly fascinating. It is, in fact, a perfect admission of everything it tries to deny, and a confession that what we have been saying here is, on fact, the truth.

Let's look at this and analyze it. "Nothing is done in secret." Then why have the members of the Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Association been kept in the dark about the re-write of HR 6562? Why are persons who dissent not permitted to have a say?

We want to "take credit" for something? Certainly not for what you are doing, commenter. We do not care about who gets credit for something. That is a red herring created by the president of the BWNVVA, who has accused us of this before. One thing we have prided ourself about here is that we give credit where credit is due. We acknowledge when ideas are not ours, and we freely admit our mistakes. We always have and always will. We credit authors of quotes, and posts, unless they specifically ask us not to, which is rare. On several occasions we have hidden someone's identity at their request to protect them. Taking credit is not something we do here. It is not important. What is important is getting information out to the Blue Water Navy Veterans as fast as we can. They need to know what is going on, as soon as possible so they can make decisions accordingly.

Blue Water Navy Veterans of Vietnam are a great bunch of people. They deserve better than to be treated as vassels by a leader who is more concerned with credit and self importance than with doing the right thing. They do not deserve to be kept in the dark, and misled.

Now the fascinating stuff is the diatribe contained in the second paragraph. In it, the commenter exposes his true feelings about HR 6562. "Read the act and pray you are Brown Water Navy, the only ones who as written will be helped", he says.

As written so far, the act says:

2D SESSION H. R. 6562
To amend title 38, United States Code, relating to presumptions of exposure
for veterans who served in the vicinity of Vietnam.
Mr. FILNER introduced the following bill; which was referred to the
Committee on

To amend title 38, United States Code, relating to presumptions of exposure for veterans who served in the vicinity of Vietnam.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Agent Orange Equity Act’’.

Effective on and after September 25, 1985, subsections (a) and (f) of section 1116 of title 38, United States Code, are each amended by inserting after ‘‘Republic of Vietnam’’ each place it appears the following: ‘‘including the inland waterways of such Republic, the waters offshore of such Republic, and the airspace above such Republic’’.
The bill's intent is clearly to change the definition of Service in Vietnam, the current version of which the VA has used against the Blue Water Navy Veterans for years. And the change is to ADD these words to the definition: ‘‘including the inland waterways of such Republic, the waters offshore of such Republic, and the airspace above such Republic’’

So the commenter has such little understanding of the definition of Blue Water and Brown Water that he simply shows what an ignoramus he is. Clearly anyone can see the intent of the bill. In the final version, that part will be written in so precisely that it will leave no room for the DVA it twist it or misconstrue it or do anything except to abide by it.

Then the real kicker: "No one should care about the legacy of BWN or TLC. They should only care about the legacy of those who have died, and the struggle of their widows."

Good readers, this is a disturbed mind at work. We have, from the very start of our Blog on the web, and from before that, been fighting for the restoration of our legacy, and that legacy is the benefits stolen from the Blue Sky Air Force in 1993, and Blue Water Navy Veterans in 2002 by the DVA. It is our legacy that will care for our widows after we are gone.

The commenter would have us sacrifice our benefits, our legacy to leave behind us when we die. He says we are not worthy. "No one should care" about us, the Blue Water Navy Veterans of Vietnam, nor should anyone care about the Veterans of Thailand, Laos and Cambodia.

And that, dear and loyal readers, is exactly the attitude we have been trying to warn you about over the past few days. That is the attitude of one of the "leaders" who is responsible for hijacking HR 6562, and rewriting it to add measures that will never pass this Congress.

Thus the commenter has fully demonstrated the deception, secrecy and lies that are fueling their effort to change the Agent Orange Equity act of 2008 into something called "The Agent Orange Dioxin Exposure Bill". Go ahead and vist them.

See for yourself. Spend time looking at the messages. You won't be able to read "Their Bill", but you will get the gist of it. Don't be fooled by what you read on the front page. Get in and read their posts. And see who it is that is posting.

Then you need to take a stand. You need to renounce this effort if for no other reason than the fact that you have not been asked, you have had no say in it, it has been kept secret from you, and total strangers have taken your bill, that you have fought so hard for and for a very long time, and turned it into something that will have no chance to be enacted. They are stealing your future out from under you.


”It is a stain on this nation's honor that the Department of Veterans Affairs has become a deadlier and more difficult adversary to the American veteran than any they have ever faced on a battlefield."-- VNVets

"The concept that Agent Orange, and its effects, stopped dead in its tracks at the shoreline is simply too illogical, and too ludicrous to accept. What does that say about the Bush Administration and his Department of Veterans Affairs?"--VNVets

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan--to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations." --President Abraham Lincoln

"Without a decisive naval force we can do nothing definitive, and with it, everything honorable and glorious."--President George Washington

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  1. Anonymous12:49

    Wouldn't it be more effective if we got both House's to aggree on the one Original HR 6562 as written so that it can be passed sooner into law with less debate about which house has the best Bill. I think all the add on's that everyone is coming up with is basically going to kill the Bill entirely. Then no one will be able to get the much need benefits and medical support thats been denied for so long. I think the original HR 6562 should be accepted as originally written and once passed then lobby to have additional changes made. There are so to many veterans much in need of passage of this Bill. And I am one of those much in need. I have Multiple Myeloma (bone cancer) and kidney failure. All from working the flight deck and handling aircrafrt on a carrier in Vietnam waters. Without the benefits and medical I could receive from the VA myself and others may well never see changes needed in Title 38 for the VA to process our claims.

    Tom LaLiberte
    Plymouth, MA

  2. Absolutely correct, Tom, although the bill as introduced will require some strengthening in order to keep the DVA from its self-appointed role of the sole judge of Congressional intent.

  3. Anonymous21:19

    i agree that HR 6562 should be left as it is. and if they want to introduce another bill base on their agent orange dioxin bill-Helppp, why not just do that. they don't have to hijack HR 6562 and screw it all up. i understand that everyone who is exposed to agent orange should be compensated but we are arguing about during the spaying of the herbicide in vietnam and whose is there while it is being sprayed. we are not arguing where it was stored and who handled it. if they want to introduce another bill but don't kill this one.

    noli capitulo
    long beach, ca