Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Some Logic

While some of the leadership among Veterans groups are busy with turf wars andd playing "shoot the messenger," and "we're not going to be left behind," they are failing to see the basic simple logic in their options.

HR 6562 as a Blue Water Navy, Fleet Marines, Coast Guard, Blue Sky Air Force, and Thailand, Laos, Cambodia [TLC] bill is still sitting in Chairman Hall's subcommittee.

We believe that bill can still get through Congress this year. Maybe not, but there is a shot. We've gotten more commitments to co-sponsor from both the House and the Senate.

So, what have all the other groups got to lose, since Filner stated he would float a new omnibus type bill at the start of the new session? What is there to lose either way? If the Blue Water version of the bill goes through, it is a winner for those Veterans [who will loyally return to the fight when Filner's new bill is introduced next term], and Filner can still introduce the expanded coverage bill in the next session as planned, but BWN, BSAF, FMF, USCG, and TLC Veterans will already be on their way to benefits, providing a clear path of precedence and Congressional intent to the DVA. If the Blue Water Navy effort fails, it would go into that same package, as currently planned.

So, I ask again, what has anyone got to lose?

It is time to put away your animosities and get behind the one piece of legislation that has a shot at getting through this term and restoring benefits that the VA stole from us right out of the Agent Orange Act of 1991 .

So you all need to make a decision, are you going to be part of the solution, or are you going to be part of the problem. Can you put aside your jealousies and animosity and work for a common goal, or will you be part of an effort that denies a large segment of Veterans an opportunity to get their benefits restored?

After all, what have you got to lose? More importantly, what can you gain from it.

Just a little logic and common sense.


”It is a stain on this nation's honor that the Department of Veterans Affairs has become a deadlier and more difficult adversary to the American veteran than any they have ever faced on a battlefield."-- VNVets

"The concept that Agent Orange, and its effects, stopped dead in its tracks at the shoreline is simply too illogical, and too ludicrous to accept. What does that say about the Bush Administration and his Department of Veterans Affairs?"--VNVets

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan--to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations." --President Abraham Lincoln

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  1. Mike14:36

    Why did these leaders of various veterans groups place all of us crabs in the same barrel? And why do they want to pull us back down when we try to climb out?

  2. Anonymous14:48

    Outstanding suggestion!
    It sure sounds good to me.

  3. Anonymous20:31

    Something is better than nothing for those that really need the medical and financial benefits from the VA, Now. And I agree that passage of the Original HR6562 would also help set precedence for passage of a more expanded Bill that would certainly benefit all others that were not considered by the Ao Act of 1991.

    Tom Laliberte
    Plymouth, MA

  4. Anonymous20:38

    The issues of HR6562 affects a lot of Veterans who should have some input into what may ultimately and quit literally change their lives. The folks that badgered Filner to make additional changes to HR6562 should have left well enough alone and allow HR6562 to pass (as originally written) this year so that Veterans like Cmd Haas and many others could benefit by getting the medical and financial services from the VA. And then in 2009 have Filner submit another Bill to cover those that were never covered by the AO Act of 1991. The intent of HR6562 was to only correct Title 38 for which it was originally written for. NOT to add on all kinds of provisions that the original AO Act of 1991 was not written for.

    As for myself, the expense of a Bone Marrow Transplant and a Kidney Transplant will have serious effects on me physically and financially without the benefits I could receive from the VA. So, Yes, I have much to say about anything that effects my chances for survival being a Blue Water Navy veteran.

    My survival, as well as many other Veterans, depended on the passage of the Original HR6562 as written to get our claims accepted by the VA for badly needed services. Now it looks like many more of us will "Be left Behind". The passage of the Original HR6562 could have given relief to so many veterans who have been waiting many years for help.

    I'm sure the folks that were involved with the pressures they placed on Filner had good intentions in mind but did not focus on the bigger picture other than their own agenda. For that I am truly sorry for them because I will most likely be one of "Those Left Behind".

    Tom Laliberte PH3
    US Navy Photographer
    USS Constellation
    Plymouth, MA

  5. Marcella Messer23:21

    I have never stopped working for the passage of HR 6562. At this time I have contact my state represenatives, senators and all the original signers of the 1991 AO. I have also asked my senators to introduce legislation in the Senate in support of BWN veterans.

    I will continue to work toward this bill or whatever bill is introduced that will provide the benefits that was earned by the BWN vets.

    Marcella Messer

  6. Anonymous02:24

    My old chief once said something I think applies here. He said:

    "You may not look like a snake and you may not even be a snake. But if you hang around with snakes you are damn sure some kind of reptile."